Westboro Babtist Church? Even Crazy People have Rights!


After the bombing of the Boston Marathon I became aware of the Westboro Baptist

Even Crazy people have the right to FREE SPEECH.
Even Crazy people have the right to FREE SPEECH.

Church, in Topeka Kansas, which is not, as far as I have read, connected to any real church, Baptist or otherwise.

The church was started in, or around, 1955, and probably began spewing it’s hate and ignorance soon after.  The group seems to be under the spittle drenched command of a Fred Phelps who’s message of “GOD hates FAGS” shows a really poor Christian message and a certain amount of “poor white trash” intellect.  You can see them at their  website www.godhatesfags.com.  It is kind of like going to the ZOO and watching the animals sniff each others buts.  So who are they, and what is their message?

Who they are seems to be the family of this Fred Phelps and may only be about 50 people strange.  In that way they are insignificant.  Their message of hate is where they become important.  Yes they have a right to free speech, and yes their speech says a lot about them..  Lets look at some of it..  “GOD hates FAGS”.  On the face of it you might think that is just a statement of fact….

So lets look at the words…  Take GOD…  You might assume that they are talking about a specific GOD, as in “The One True God” but, since different religions have different Gods you might wonder of they are talking about Set, Zeus, or Jehovah.  I am not sure at this point…  because what do they mean by “hates”?  Is this “hates” as in they displease him, or upsets him, or are they talking about a real hate here where he wants to rub therm out of existence?  To me it seems they are making “judgements” of their own.  Are they not worried that their God might get upset that they are taking one of his rights, as in “judge not lest ye be judged”?  It is obvious that they are NOT talking about a Loving God who allows “free will” in order to let humans decide which direction they will follow and wants people to do what is RIGHT.  Personally I would not see myself lining up behind their god.

Then, of course, they use the term “FAG”…  Which is a provocation, as in “provocative speech and gesture”, which would tend to indicate a limited vocabulary..  I might not be one of the sharpest tools in the toolbox but, at least I can use words, other than slang, to get my message across.  For example, I might have said “JAHOVAH DISAPPROVES OF HOMOSEXUALS“…  In reality I would only go as far as to say that he does not approve of Homosexuals, Gays or Same Sex for you people over there on the left.

My belief, and what I have been taught, is that a persons religious values and beliefs are personal.  While it is perfectly with in each persons rights, both religious and civil, to act as Witnesses  for their beliefs it is beyond their rights, Christian wise, to make hatred laden judgements against people who do not share their beliefs.  If you do not like Gays it is within your rights to not associate with them, it is NOT within your rights to usurp the judgement of Jehovah, that is his right to make these Judgements.

Now, lets get to their message about Thank God for” the bombs, or the shooters, or whatever…  If any God were to do what the Westboro Baptist Church had said and used indiscriminate mass murder to get his message across this would not be a God of love but, one of HATE and so not worth worshiping….  These people believe that God, whichever one they mean, is using these people, bombers or shooters, to punish the United States because a portion of out population wants to let Homosexuals/Gays/Same Sex marry.  This is stupid.  Not everyone agrees that the Institution of Marriage includes two people of the same sex.  It has been said that our “Freedom of Religion” can also be construed as our “Freedom From Religion” and that the Untied States has separation of church and state so that we will not have the kind of religious law that the first settlers came over here to get away from.  Our law are supposed to be about what is good for Society and NOT about the Church…  Do some of our law fit under both categories?  Yes.  If the founding fathers had wanted to make Religious law they might have codified the “10 Commandments” rather than the “Bill of Rights”.

If Jehovah had wanted use these killers to make a clear statement about HIS hatred wouldn’t he have used them at a “Gay Pride Day” event?  Why would he attack athletes?

Wouldn’t the death of our soldiers overseas more likely say that Muslims are evil rather  than that the country that uses the motto “In God We Trust” is evil?

My point is simple…  The God that the Westboro Babtist Church glorifies is a god of hate, and not one of Love.  For those of you who do not believe in any gods, it is simple, they are just a bunch of lunatics, for those who do believe in a GOD you can make up your own mind about these people..

I can’t really imagine a world, such as ours, that came into existence by just chance, so I would prefer to believe in one who either Loves us, or doesn’t care but, I would NOT like to believe in one who preaches HATE…  so I believe that these people, who seem to indicate that indiscriminate murder is an act of god are crazy and that brings me to the main thrust of my article……  Even crazy people of “Freedom of Speech”.

Thanks

That Joe Guy.

What is it with these people?


“I’ve struggled with it myself for a long time, but I came to realize that life is that gift from God,” Mr. Mourdock said. “And even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen.” So says Richard Mourdock, a Republican Senate candidate from Indiana.  What is he really saying?  Is he saying that Jehovah intended the rape, or that Jehovah used the rape as an excuse to make the woman pregnant?  The phrase “they walk among us” comes to mind.

Then there is Todd Akin‘s remarks that “If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.”

I can see where Republicans would be against abortion but, I can’t see where they would be coming up with blatantly stupid comments such as this.  So I ask, again, “what is with these people”.

I understand that our politicians seem to have an aversion to the truth but, can’t they at least think about what they are saying BEFORE they say it?  I can’t even imagine what it is like to have ben raped, and don’t want to know, and I CAN NOT conceive of a God who would INTEND someone to experience that, or who would leave her a pregnancy that would forever remind her of that experience.

If the voters elect either of these two morons I would have to say “you deserve the kind of government that YOU elect”.

Personally, if I one of these bozos was the only choice my party put of for an election I would have to vote for somebody, anybody, else.  I would love to be able to, in good conscience, vote my party but, there are limitations on STUPIDITY that should not be exceeded, and these guys have gone way past that..

Thanks,

That Joe Guy.

Tebowing


Tebowing
Image by Jeffrey Beall via Flickr

Before I start on this I will have to say:  I am not a great fan of Sports in general.

I learned about Tim Tebow, and Tebowing, from seeing it on the New channels, the Letterman show, and Jay Leno.

Today I got one of those email that seem to be going around.  It was about Tebowing.  There were two pictures in it.  One picture showed a bunch of Muslim praying on Wall Street, with the question under it “Why is this OK?”  The other picture was of Tim Tebow doing his thing, with the question “and this is NOT?”.

There are a number of questions that this brings to mind…  Is it the context of the actions?  The Muslims are in the middle of the street, while Tebow seems to be on the sideline..

Is the one, where they are praying to Allah better than the one where he is parying to God, or Jehovah?  That might depend on your religion.

In one story I saw about it he says he is thanking God for letting him play, in another he is asking God for a win.  Does this mean that God, or Jehovah, is a Bronco fan?  Or does it just mean that he likes people who pay homage to him, or just someone who ask him for help.

Think of all the coaches who have asked for help on the field, and have won.  If only one team offers up a prayer, and they win, does that mean God gave them help and the win had nothing to do with their ability?  If both team had prayed, does it mean that God gave the win to the team he liked, or does it just mean that team won on its own?

Does Tebowing trump the coaches prayer?

Does Jehovah even care about the teams?  Is he a Broncos fan?  Does he like the NFL better than the other leagues?

I will have to be fair and say that I don’t know the answer to these question, and the only reason that I have thought about it is for this article.  Though I have always been taught that religion is a personal thing, does if make the belief less real by doing it in public?  Take the Muslim, they make it into an event.  Tim Tebow does it with people watching, or a public display.  Does this mean he has turned prayer into a gimmick?

The question would be:  Does it really matter?  Does Jehovah pick sides?

Its like the old question:  If two armies meet in the field, and they both pray, does Jehovah pick on to win?  If a Islamic army meets a Christian, or Jewish army, is it a question of which god in stronger?

Or is the question really this: Are we just making too much of the question?

You decide, I don’t know.  I can only ask.

That Joe Guy.