Westboro Babtist Church? Even Crazy People have Rights!


After the bombing of the Boston Marathon I became aware of the Westboro Baptist

Even Crazy people have the right to FREE SPEECH.
Even Crazy people have the right to FREE SPEECH.

Church, in Topeka Kansas, which is not, as far as I have read, connected to any real church, Baptist or otherwise.

The church was started in, or around, 1955, and probably began spewing it’s hate and ignorance soon after.  The group seems to be under the spittle drenched command of a Fred Phelps who’s message of “GOD hates FAGS” shows a really poor Christian message and a certain amount of “poor white trash” intellect.  You can see them at their  website www.godhatesfags.com.  It is kind of like going to the ZOO and watching the animals sniff each others buts.  So who are they, and what is their message?

Who they are seems to be the family of this Fred Phelps and may only be about 50 people strange.  In that way they are insignificant.  Their message of hate is where they become important.  Yes they have a right to free speech, and yes their speech says a lot about them..  Lets look at some of it..  “GOD hates FAGS”.  On the face of it you might think that is just a statement of fact….

So lets look at the words…  Take GOD…  You might assume that they are talking about a specific GOD, as in “The One True God” but, since different religions have different Gods you might wonder of they are talking about Set, Zeus, or Jehovah.  I am not sure at this point…  because what do they mean by “hates”?  Is this “hates” as in they displease him, or upsets him, or are they talking about a real hate here where he wants to rub therm out of existence?  To me it seems they are making “judgements” of their own.  Are they not worried that their God might get upset that they are taking one of his rights, as in “judge not lest ye be judged”?  It is obvious that they are NOT talking about a Loving God who allows “free will” in order to let humans decide which direction they will follow and wants people to do what is RIGHT.  Personally I would not see myself lining up behind their god.

Then, of course, they use the term “FAG”…  Which is a provocation, as in “provocative speech and gesture”, which would tend to indicate a limited vocabulary..  I might not be one of the sharpest tools in the toolbox but, at least I can use words, other than slang, to get my message across.  For example, I might have said “JAHOVAH DISAPPROVES OF HOMOSEXUALS“…  In reality I would only go as far as to say that he does not approve of Homosexuals, Gays or Same Sex for you people over there on the left.

My belief, and what I have been taught, is that a persons religious values and beliefs are personal.  While it is perfectly with in each persons rights, both religious and civil, to act as Witnesses  for their beliefs it is beyond their rights, Christian wise, to make hatred laden judgements against people who do not share their beliefs.  If you do not like Gays it is within your rights to not associate with them, it is NOT within your rights to usurp the judgement of Jehovah, that is his right to make these Judgements.

Now, lets get to their message about Thank God for” the bombs, or the shooters, or whatever…  If any God were to do what the Westboro Baptist Church had said and used indiscriminate mass murder to get his message across this would not be a God of love but, one of HATE and so not worth worshiping….  These people believe that God, whichever one they mean, is using these people, bombers or shooters, to punish the United States because a portion of out population wants to let Homosexuals/Gays/Same Sex marry.  This is stupid.  Not everyone agrees that the Institution of Marriage includes two people of the same sex.  It has been said that our “Freedom of Religion” can also be construed as our “Freedom From Religion” and that the Untied States has separation of church and state so that we will not have the kind of religious law that the first settlers came over here to get away from.  Our law are supposed to be about what is good for Society and NOT about the Church…  Do some of our law fit under both categories?  Yes.  If the founding fathers had wanted to make Religious law they might have codified the “10 Commandments” rather than the “Bill of Rights”.

If Jehovah had wanted use these killers to make a clear statement about HIS hatred wouldn’t he have used them at a “Gay Pride Day” event?  Why would he attack athletes?

Wouldn’t the death of our soldiers overseas more likely say that Muslims are evil rather  than that the country that uses the motto “In God We Trust” is evil?

My point is simple…  The God that the Westboro Babtist Church glorifies is a god of hate, and not one of Love.  For those of you who do not believe in any gods, it is simple, they are just a bunch of lunatics, for those who do believe in a GOD you can make up your own mind about these people..

I can’t really imagine a world, such as ours, that came into existence by just chance, so I would prefer to believe in one who either Loves us, or doesn’t care but, I would NOT like to believe in one who preaches HATE…  so I believe that these people, who seem to indicate that indiscriminate murder is an act of god are crazy and that brings me to the main thrust of my article……  Even crazy people of “Freedom of Speech”.

Thanks

That Joe Guy.

Will Muslims now bow to Paris Hilton?


Grand Mosque
Grand Mosque (Photo credit: Jeff Attaway)

I don’t think so.

This will show you the kind of thing I do not pay attention to…  Paris Hilton.  On the other hand I like a little humor so, I was thrilled to see an article, online, that Paris Hilton, who knew she had stores, was opening a new store in Mecca.  It seems she recently announced the opening on Twitter, according to CNN.

Her announcement quickly prompted others to voice their displeasure and accused her of ‘insulting Mecca’. “It is unnecessary to have her shop here because we do not need it. If it was in our hands we would have closed all of her shops in Saudi,” said Sheikh Adnan Baharith, a conservative cleric, who preaches in Mecca.

He is redundant but, I get his point..  Nobody NEEDS Paris Hilton or her stores.  They don’t have to shop there.  It seems that she has opened a store next to the Grand Mosque and maybe they are afraid that the first “suicide bomber”/”religious warrior” to hit the store will damage the Mosque?  Maybe they are afraid that people going to the Mosque will be compelled by Satan to go inside and purchase the decadent products, probably made by Satan himself, and thus be corrupted.

Of course this leads me into the question of “free will”.  I don’t know about Allah but, Jehovah gave man free will.  All through history government bodies, whether it is tribal or a country, have passed laws that they saw as needed for the good of their group.  The first type of these were most likely put forth by the tribal shaman/holy man who gave them the force of religion in order to make it clear that there will be punishment.  The most widely known laws of this type are the 10 Commandments, which Jehovah gave to Moses.

Why bring up “free will’ in this context?  Free will means that each person has the ability to decide for himself about what laws he will go by, or ignore.  If there is no free will then each person would be set upon a course, life, that they do not control and therefore his decisions are made for him and what he does, either good or bad, does not really count.  How can a person be judged either good or bad if he does not have control of his own actions?

So, with free will each person is accountable for their own actions and, if they decide to purchase product from Paris Hilton, it is on them.  If there are enough devout Muslims then Paris Hilton’s store will fail.  If the store makes a profitt then maybe they, the clerics of Islam, should do a better job of teaching piety to their flock, rather than trying to stamp out their choice, which would mean nothing.  For good to matter there must be evil, and maybe the opening of a Paris Hilton store, next to the Grand Mosque, might be a good thing.  It would all depend on how fast it goes out of bussiness.

While I don’t particularly care about Paris Hilton, or her stores, it might be that a store with out customers would say more about Islam than a bombed out store.  One would speak of piety and tolerance, and the other would place them on the level of the Taliban, and others, who stone rape victims and hang 7 year old children for being CIA spies..  or who destroy ancient sculptures.

Thanks,

That Joe Guy.

 

Islam : A religion of peace?


 

When it comes to IslamI have my own idea about it.  What little I really understand about it

 

Islam
Islam (Photo credit: rogiro)

 

comes from a combination of information from a “Religions of the World” class I had at Manatee Junior College and what I was briefed on while in the service, and, finally, what I have read about it over the years.

 

None of this really makes me an expert but, like every other A hole out there, I have an opinion.  That said, I am going to tell you what my opinion is.  I am not going to expound on and authoritative lecture but, I will give you my perception of Islam.

 

From my understanding the Qur’an is based on a number of books from what we call the Bible.  So the religion should be similar to ours?  I would think so but, then I remember that we also have a large number of religions based on the same book.  The Talmud, the Jewish Bible, has some of the same books but not all of them.  Then we have a number of denominations such as the Catholics, the Protestant, Presbyterian, Lutheran,  the Jehovah Witnesses(JWs), the Latter Day Saints, and others.

 

The differences seem to come from the various interpretations of the text and what it means.  Some of these groups still have a prohibition about PORK.  Some of them will tell you that evil people go to Hell when they die, and at least one says there is NO HELL and then when we die we will lay,unknowing and unaware, in the ground until the day of resurrections come.

 

I do not know who is right.  All I know is that 1. religion is a personal thing and 2 the United States, and I am an American, has freedom of religion so, there is a certain amount of understanding, and tolerance, that should be extended to other religions.

 

We are supposed to respect other people’s religions.  In the past, while the western nations were maturing, this has not always been true.  As the organized religions expanded through Europe they often would declare that NON Christian religions were Satan worshipers.

 

In one 200 year period there were a number of Crusades into the Middle East that attempted to gain control of the Holy Land from the Muslims, who at one time had spread as far west as North Africa and Spain.

 

So what does this have to do with Islam and tolerance?  Well, you can’t have much tolerance of other religions when you refer to practitioners of other religions as “infidels”, and command your followers to kill them.  That seems rather straightforward.

 

Another thing that seems rather straightforward, at least to me, is the Islamic call to kill people who make fun of them, or write books, think Salman Rushdie and the Satanic Verses.  Then again there is that recently done movie : Innocence of Mohammed.  It is a poorly done movie that is poorly dubbed, in an effort to keep the actors from understanding what the aim of the movies really was.  Why else would he change it from Desert Warrior, as well as the setting?

 

So the question about Islam is this : Is it really a peaceful and tolerant religion, or are the so called radicals really the mainstream? 

 

I understand that there are fruitcakes in any group, such as the Pastor in Florida who burned copies of the Qur’an.  Maybe it is just a book to him and maybe he would not get excited if someone were to burn HIS Bible.  Then again, when the shoe is on the other foot, it doesn’t make blisters on yours.

 

You can TALK about other religions all you want but, the real proof is in what you DO.  Threatening people with death because they don’t agree with you is considered, by civilized countries, to be bad form.  That could be a cultural thing that they might grow out of once there is a respect for human life, and it is hard to see a respect for human life from people who strap on bombs and target  women and children.