Is Islam a Religion of Peace? Do we really CAIR?


Just  the other night I watched a video of a debate that was

Everybody Draw Mohammed Day - Mohammed by Hlkolaya
Everybody Draw Mohammed Day – Mohammed by Hlkolaya (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

centered on this question..  It was given by some group called Intelligence, or squared.  I found the website, though I have not been able to find the video I saw the other night…  The web site is http://www.inteligencesquared.com.

I have to admit that I am not really good a remembering people’s names, so I do not remember the names of the people who spoke for or against the idea that Islam is a Religion of Peace.

One young lady, who spoke in favor of the topic,  explained that where she grew up, here in the United States, she had as many rights as the men, and did not have to wear head coverings…  All of the things she pointed to as reasons why Islam was peaceful and allowed equal standing for women were benefits of the struggles conducted by the “Women’s suffrage Movement” and not something that was allowed her by the Islamic Clerics.

One man told about how he had grown up to be a Jihadist only to spend time an a Cairo prison.  It was here, if I understood what he had said, that he really started to read the Quran and began to see that there was a more peaceful side to it…

The other two people on the panel spoke against the concept..  and they all made some interesting points.

To me the most telling points were made by the people who spoke against the idea..  One man brought up the fact that in his life time Mohammad engaged in 65 conquest.

Forget the fact that ever since Mohammad died, or was poisoned, the Shiite and Sunni sects have been fighting over who would be in charge of this “Religion of Peace”.   No, forget their several hundred years, since about the 4th Century, internal conflict.

Think about this : in the last couple of hundred years the only place where they have not been the aggressors was, it seems,  in Bosnia, where they were attacked by the Serbs..  In that case the United States and NATO came the their aid and made the Serbs pull back..

Over the years I heard many people tell me that the Islamic religion is a religion of peace and tolerance, which might explain why people in places like Iran, for instance, have been tried for switching to some other religion, such as Christianity.

The left accuses the Republicans of having a “War Against Women” because the Republicans are against law that would require Religious organizations to pay for women’s contraceptive materials.  When is the last time these people, who say they are for Womens Rights, has said anything about the middle eastern practice of stoning rape victims, for adultery, because the were unable to get 4  males to say that she was indeed raped..

There was an American movie some years ago that told how a Princess of the Royal Family was beheaded for Adultery.  When the movie came out the Saudi Royal family said that these people should not have been allowed to make the movie, not on the grounds that it was untrue but because it cast a bad image on Muslims.   If you don’t want the bad things to get out, then don’t do them…

Here is a story that I believe I have told here before but bears repeating..  When I was in the Air Force, while stationed at MacDill AFB, I was on a mobility team that, in case of emergency, would go to Riyadh Saudi Arabia.    During the numerous rehearsal, when we would even go so far as to board a plane, part of out briefing was that any woman who was dark skinned could request to be excluded from the mission…  Why you ask?  Well it is rather simple..  Even though we would show up to help them, and in uniform, there was the chance that these women would be taken into custody for not wearing the required head covering..   Another show of tolerance?

I say: go by what they do and not what they say.  When you look at it that way you can see how benign and tolerant they are..

Thanks,

That Joe Guy.

Islam : A religion of peace?


 

When it comes to IslamI have my own idea about it.  What little I really understand about it

 

Islam
Islam (Photo credit: rogiro)

 

comes from a combination of information from a “Religions of the World” class I had at Manatee Junior College and what I was briefed on while in the service, and, finally, what I have read about it over the years.

 

None of this really makes me an expert but, like every other A hole out there, I have an opinion.  That said, I am going to tell you what my opinion is.  I am not going to expound on and authoritative lecture but, I will give you my perception of Islam.

 

From my understanding the Qur’an is based on a number of books from what we call the Bible.  So the religion should be similar to ours?  I would think so but, then I remember that we also have a large number of religions based on the same book.  The Talmud, the Jewish Bible, has some of the same books but not all of them.  Then we have a number of denominations such as the Catholics, the Protestant, Presbyterian, Lutheran,  the Jehovah Witnesses(JWs), the Latter Day Saints, and others.

 

The differences seem to come from the various interpretations of the text and what it means.  Some of these groups still have a prohibition about PORK.  Some of them will tell you that evil people go to Hell when they die, and at least one says there is NO HELL and then when we die we will lay,unknowing and unaware, in the ground until the day of resurrections come.

 

I do not know who is right.  All I know is that 1. religion is a personal thing and 2 the United States, and I am an American, has freedom of religion so, there is a certain amount of understanding, and tolerance, that should be extended to other religions.

 

We are supposed to respect other people’s religions.  In the past, while the western nations were maturing, this has not always been true.  As the organized religions expanded through Europe they often would declare that NON Christian religions were Satan worshipers.

 

In one 200 year period there were a number of Crusades into the Middle East that attempted to gain control of the Holy Land from the Muslims, who at one time had spread as far west as North Africa and Spain.

 

So what does this have to do with Islam and tolerance?  Well, you can’t have much tolerance of other religions when you refer to practitioners of other religions as “infidels”, and command your followers to kill them.  That seems rather straightforward.

 

Another thing that seems rather straightforward, at least to me, is the Islamic call to kill people who make fun of them, or write books, think Salman Rushdie and the Satanic Verses.  Then again there is that recently done movie : Innocence of Mohammed.  It is a poorly done movie that is poorly dubbed, in an effort to keep the actors from understanding what the aim of the movies really was.  Why else would he change it from Desert Warrior, as well as the setting?

 

So the question about Islam is this : Is it really a peaceful and tolerant religion, or are the so called radicals really the mainstream? 

 

I understand that there are fruitcakes in any group, such as the Pastor in Florida who burned copies of the Qur’an.  Maybe it is just a book to him and maybe he would not get excited if someone were to burn HIS Bible.  Then again, when the shoe is on the other foot, it doesn’t make blisters on yours.

 

You can TALK about other religions all you want but, the real proof is in what you DO.  Threatening people with death because they don’t agree with you is considered, by civilized countries, to be bad form.  That could be a cultural thing that they might grow out of once there is a respect for human life, and it is hard to see a respect for human life from people who strap on bombs and target  women and children.   

 

 

 

 

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Peace in the Middle East? Don’t Make Me Laugh!!!


Map of predominantly Sunni or Shi'a regions in...
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I have tried to think about what to make of this years Arab Spring..  Did it have to do with the idea of Spring Cleaning, where you throw out the old and bring in the new?  Or is the effort just a way to take the power from the Sunni governments, some of whom govern Shiite majorities, and place that power in the hands of the Shiite mobs.

The last American troops have pulled out of Iraq and, now that the oppressors are gone,  there is peace ..  NO?  Now that we are gone, who could they be fighting?

Each other?  No..  Surely, now that the United States has pulled out of the country, the are now attempting to work together to build up the kind of infrastructure that would allow a better life for the average Iraqi citizen?

No.  They seem intent of blowing up the country building by building, and for what reason?  Why because the peaceful Islāmic religion is as peaceful as the Protestant and Catholics were in Belfast.  They do have their problems, which seem to go way back to about 637 A.D.  when the Prophet Mohammad was murdered, but hey, that was a long time ago.  Can we say “holding a grudge”?  Even those Protestants and Catholics in Belfast were able to make PEACE, and who ever accused the Irish of being peaceful?

Evan the United States, after the War of Northern Aggression, was able to deal with our differences, though it cost the country 500,000 to 600,000 deaths, and that was only about 160, or so, years ago.  Since the days when the United States was founded we have been able to help rebuild, and make friends with, almost all of our old enemies.

After WWII the United States, along with it allies, went out on a limb, risking war with the Soviet Union, in order  to keep West Germany independent, and when the Berlin Wall finally  came down West Germany, who we helped rebuild, was vastly different from East Germany, who’s only help came from the Soviet Union, with sections of East Germany that were not much changed from the end of the war.

It is true that, after our invasion of Iraq, we did not seem to have a concise plan about how to help rebuild, and we did seem of have problems with local corruption but, we tried to help the Iraqi’s rebuild.  Maybe all we were able to do was to eliminate the one influence, Saddam Hussein,  who was keeping the lid on things, but you would think that once we were gone they would be willing to make up and take care of their citizens?

The Iraqi’s now have the chance, if they are willing to accept it, to use THEIR OIL to help rebuild the country and better their lives.  Sadly it would appear that once the adults have left the room the children have gone back to fighting, and don’t seem to show any inclination to become a civilized nation..

Peace in the Middle East? Don’t Make Me Laugh!!!


Map of predominantly Sunni or Shi'a regions in...
Image via Wikipedia

I have tried to think about what to make of this years Arab Spring..  Did it have to do with the idea of Spring Cleaning, where you throw out the old and bring in the new?  Or is the effort just a way to take the power from the Sunni governments, some of whom govern Shiite majorities, and place that power in the hands of the Shiite mobs.

The last American troops have pulled out of Iraq and, now that the oppressors are gone,  there is peace ..  NO?  Now that we are gone, who could they be fighting?

Each other?  No..  Surely, now that the United States has pulled out of the country, the are now attempting to work together to build up the kind of infrastructure that would allow a better life for the average Iraqi citizen?

No.  They seem intent of blowing up the country building by building, and for what reason?  Why because the peaceful Islāmic religion is as peaceful as the Protestant and Catholics were in Belfast.  They do have their problems, which seem to go way back to about 637 A.D.  when the Prophet Mohammad was murdered, but hey, that was a long time ago.  Can we say “holding a grudge”?  Even those Protestants and Catholics in Belfast were able to make PEACE, and who ever accused the Irish of being peaceful?

Evan the United States, after the War of Northern Aggression, was able to deal with our differences, though it cost the country 500,000 to 600,000 deaths, and that was only about 160, or so, years ago.  Since the days when the United States was founded we have been able to help rebuild, and make friends with, almost all of our old enemies.

After WWII the United States, along with it allies, went out on a limb, risking war with the Soviet Union, in order  to keep West Germany independent, and when the Berlin Wall finally  came down West Germany, who we helped rebuild, was vastly different from East Germany, who’s only help came from the Soviet Union, with sections of East Germany that were not much changed from the end of the war.

It is true that, after our invasion of Iraq, we did not seem to have a concise plan about how to help rebuild, and we did seem of have problems with local corruption but, we tried to help the Iraqi’s rebuild.  Maybe all we were able to do was to eliminate the one influence, Saddam Hussein,  who was keeping the lid on things, but you would think that once we were gone they would be willing to make up and take care of their citizens?

The Iraqi’s now have the chance, if they are willing to accept it, to use THEIR OIL to help rebuild the country and better their lives.  Sadly it would appear that once the adults have left the room the children have gone back to fighting, and don’t seem to show any inclination to become a civilized nation..