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Protecting Our Children…

Not long after the Sandy Hook Elementary School shootings some

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people started saying we needed to place armed security officers at our schools..

That is a good question..  Should we spend the money to place officers on patrol in a school on the chance they might be in the right place to intervene when shooting starts?  Not long after the Columbine shooting there was at least one report that the school resource officer assigned to the school was ordered, by school officials, to stay out of the building.  This instruction was probably due to the policy, common at the time, to first secure the scene, of any possible hostage situation, and then decide if armed entry was required..  The result, in that case, was that law enforcement did not get into the building for some period of time, like up to 1 1/2  – 2 hours later, by which time the shooting had stopped, and the killing was done.  This included the two shooters who killed THEMSELVES..  So, an armed guard at a school is useless if he can not be at the place where he is needed.

On his TV show Piers Morgan, arguing with a young lady about armed guards placed in a school, this was just after the Sandy Hook shooting, he argued that it would ensure a “firefight” that would further endanger the students.   As if he preferred the shooter be the only one armed..   He refused to admit the possibility that being shot at might force the shooter to either retreat, get to cover, surrender, or just die..   Any of these situations would allow school personnel to get the students out of danger…

If you don’t agree that armed officers, or even private guards, should be at our schools keep this in mind..  On a timeline, published by CNN, it was reported that was a period of 20 minutes between the first phone call to 911 and the arrival, in force, of law enforcement.  In that time the shooter had free rein to shoot his fill of children, and then kill himself.  To be fair we might consider that the delay could have been caused by dispatchers thinking the first 911 call was a prank..  and maybe they did not want to dispatch a horde of law enforcement people to the school, and cause all sorts of confusion, if it was indeed a false alarm, or maybe they had to find the school on a map..  I don’t know.

In Manatee County Fl. there was the question of whether the school board could use Private Security for the schools, or if they had to use Sheriff’s Deputies…  The school board, in the person of the Superintendent,  stated they could get guards at 31, or 32, of the 33 schools, while with the Sheriff’s Department they would get 5 Resource officers to cover then same number of locations..  or 5 Deputies for 32 schools..

The Sheriff’s office countered that state law said that school resource officers must be “state certified” law enforcement officers, which would generally mean that they had to be employed by a law enforcement department, rather than a Private company.

Some will point to Florida, with the “Stand Your Ground” law and say we a trying to bring back the wild west but we don’t have nearly as many different Policing agencies as say New York City..  They have, at least, the NYPD, the Transit Authority, the Housing Authority, the Sanitation Police and until recently the ASPCA had armed Officers.

Should the School Boards have the authority to have it’s own policing agency?  If we leave the security of the schools in the hands of, say the local Sheriff’s office, how often during a given day would they be called away in support of the road deputies.

The University of South Florida has a Police Department, so why not the Sarasota, or Manatee, County School District?

Defenseless is not the same as protected.



That Joe Guy.


Public Safety

Speeding cop case dismissed, even though person died – Sun Sentinel

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English: Image of the patch of the Florida Highway Patrol. Made with Photoshop. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

This is indeed an interesting story… You really must reading it so that you can understand the really egregious actions of the State Trooper..

The story pretty much speaks for itself but I will just make a couple of comments about it..

The first comment is that when I was going through the Air Force Security Police Tech. School in 1974 they told us that when we are responding to any kind of emergency that “It does not matter how fast you DON’T GET THERE”.  In this Troopers case he KILLED someone and still did not reach the scene of the crime, which was a call about somebody throwing rocks off an overpass…  Yes, someone can get killed when a rock goes through their windshield but, a collision at 102MPH is more likely to kill than the rock…

The other thing is about “Professional Courtesy”..  In 1975, after Tech. School and Basic, to 1977 I was stationed at Tyndall AFB in North Florida..  I-98 pass through the base and we had what was called Concurrent Jurisdiction with the Civilian cops.  That was because even though 98 passed through the base it was in fact a public road and so the Civilian cops also patrolled it.  At any time of day, or night, you could find Bay County Sheriffs, Florida Highway Patrol, or even, back then, Florida Marine Patrol vehicles.

One night we stopped to check on a Bay County Deputy, we often got bored and stopped to  chat.  He had been using a radar speed gun to ticket speeders.  When we stopped to see how he was doing he said that he was going to give it up for the night, and complained that of the 12 speeding stops he had conducted that night 8 of them had pulled out badges and requested “Professional Courtesy”.

This is not a new thing..  It is something that has been going on for years but, this guy was able to KILL one of the people he was supposed to protect(?).  He was going to a call, sure, at 102 MPH with not lights or siren?

Speeding cop case dismissed, even though person died – Sun Sentinel

Politics U.S. Politics Uncategorized What are they thinking?

RPOF : Republican Party of Florida

I was reading that paper today and saw the article about Jim Greer, the one-time head of the RPOF, pleading guilty to 4 corruption charges so, instead up to 70 years, he only faces up to about 35 years, though the recommended sentence is about 3 1/2 years.

Defense attorney Damon Chase had vowed to exonerate Greer but after the hearing said, “Sometimes clearing your name is less important than taking care of your family and new baby. … Once again Jim Greer is falling on his sword for a lot of other folks.”

It looks as if, maybe, he figured out that he would not be able to get himself out of this mess…  If what Chase said was true about his “falling on his sword for a lot of other folks” then we could expect to see some kind of deal that would make prison time acceptable to him…

I would like to believe that the only rot in the RPOF was Jim Greer but I don’t a great impression about the party these days.

Charlie Crist, who used to be a Republican, had been chased out of the party because he, while trying to do what he thought was best for Florida voters, had not stuck to straight party lines.  It would seem that Party lines were more important than what was good for the voters.  Crist, a popular ex-Governor of Florida, had shown the courage to vote for a number of Democrat causes, one of which got him up on the stage with Obama.  This tendency to vote for what he thought was right did not sit well with the RPOF and so they forced him out by supporting Marco Rubio for the Senate seat.

I am probably expecting too much from politicians…

It is a fact that no matter what good intentions the politician had when he ran for office he soon finds out that to stay in office he has to appeal to the money people, who will pay for his advertisements.  If big oil is going to put big money into an elections : who do you think they will support?  An environmentalist or someone who wants to do away with all those troublesome safety regulations….  When Bush II got into office and was making up his energy plan there was a complaint that he did not include any of the environmental groups on the panel.  This was answered by saying that the panel, made up mostly by big energy, did not need the input from environmentalist because they already knew what they were going to say, and they would make sure their concerns were voiced.  This would be like, if you were charged with a crime, a prosecutor telling you that there is no need for a defence attorney as they know what your arguments are and will make sure they get voiced in court.  What verdict would you see in your future.

How often do we hear primary debates where one candidate accuses another of all kinds of heinous crimes, only to come out in support of him in the general elections?  This always makes me think about the accusations…  If they were false why does the other party not sue their shorts off, and if they were true then how could he possibly support that person..  The truth is that it doesn’t matter to him, true or false, they are just things to say about his opponent in order to get re-elected.  The problem for us is this, if the charges were false the man is a liar, and if they are true, he obviously cares more about his party than he does the voters.

An honest politician would not tell un-truths and would refuse to support that person if the charges were true.  It is just THAT SIMPLE.

Going back to Greer for second..  Maybe it is that what he did was obvious in hind sight.  Maybe what was going on was not a obvious until it was discovered.  Then again maybe there is a culture of corruption that made him feel that he could do what ever he wanted and not have to worry about getting caught..

Anybody remember Marth Stewart going to jail for insider trading?  She was supposed to have gotten a phone call from someone who had  insider information, that she was supposed to have used to make trade, that she would normally not have known about, in order to make money…  Now think Congressional Oversight hearings where they grill executive from various companies.  These people have to answer the questions and sometime, even behind closed doors, information comes out that might be called “insider information“.  Did you know that the congress is exempt from the insider trading laws?  Yes, they can use this information for their own gain, though an ethical person would not take advantage of this..  There is the old saying about avoiding “the hint of impropriety”.  Some people put their assets in a kind of trust so that they will not have any control over them, or even know what companies they are invested in.  This does not mean doing as the Gov. of Florida, Rick Scott, did when he handed control of his assets to his wife.

I recently heard Rush Limbaugh ask the, I assume it was rhetorical, question of “Dingie Harry” about how he was able to become a multimillionaire on a Senate salary.

I aimed this at the RPOF, as I am a Registered Republican, but my real question is….  Why did we stand for a State Party leadership that just smacks of corruption?

I will say again “we got who we vote for”.


That Joe Guy.

Maybe we could look for a third party?  Like the Libertarians?

World at Large

Unions : Are they still in our future?

U.S. Union Membership Less Than 12 Percent
U.S. Union Membership Less Than 12 Percent (Photo credit: Cory M. Grenier)

It seems like most of my articles come down to discussions about people rights, and this will be the same.  The difference is that his article has more to do with the “right to work” rather then any other.

I am from Florida – which is a “Right to work” state.  Just to be fair I would have to say that we don’t think much of Unions in my family.  My grandfather, who was an Express Agent with the Seaboard  Coastline Rail Road, died from a heart attack after having to load a silver shipment.  He had signed for the shipment and was responsible for it’s loading.  The problem came because the people whose job it was to load the train were on strike rather than doing what they were paid to do.  My grandfather, if the shipment had not gotten loaded, would have been responsible for the loss/theft of whatever got left behind when the train pulled out…

Florida is a “right to work” state so nobody is required to join a union just to get a job.  The unions are upset because Michigan seems on the verge of passing a “right to work” law, and the unions say this could be the death of Unions.  In the past union members have complained that the unions spent their dues to support candidates that the members did not approve of.  I can understand what they are saying..  The unions would, justly, tend to support whichever party they believe would be in their best interest.  That is what politics is all about.  On the other hand, conservative members might not want their money going to support liberal candidates who they see as not  in line with their personal beliefs.  For example, why would a union want to support a candidate who would pass a “right to work” law that might allow unhappy union members to quit the union without fear of being fired.

For many of us the words “union thug” are oxymoronic as we picture the days of the union thugs with ball bats, or even union reformers who had bombs placed under their cars, or union officials who got sent to jail…  Then there are the early days when Union activist tried to get better conditions for workers in the coal, clothing, and other industires.

So what happened?  Some people say the union leaders pushed wages, of members as well as their own, up to the point that manufacturers decided it was cheaper to make good in countries where the workers were not paid as much..  There were tales about Unions that borrowed from the workers pension funds, much like the government does with the Social Security Trust fund, and left some of them nearly bankrupt.

It is not good to force someone to join a union, either to get a job or keep one he has, and then take his dues to support candidates he disapprove of.  If union members are not allowed to leave a union with out losing their jobs then it takes away the kind of leverage it would take to make changes in the union.  In a “right to work” state people would join unions if they perceived a benefit, and leave if they saw no such animal so, it might be a way to find out if the workers are for, or against, unions.

They will either join, or leave but, then it would be up to them.

Then again, I am from Florida and we don’t have to worry about that here.


That Joe Guy.

Public Safety

Defective Detective…..

Manatee County Sheriff’s office reported the theft of a Glock firearm, ammon, estimated at 25 to 75 rounds, handcuffs, and other stuff.  The interesting thing is that there was no signs of forced entry to his black 2012 Toyota Tundra that we parked at his residence…

My question is : why did he leave these item in his truck, and did he lock it?

While there does not seem to be  a whole lot of this type thing going on there was, for example, a Manatee Deputy who got weapons, described as an M-16, vest, ammo and other stuff stolen from his patrol vehicle, which was parked at his home in Sarasota.

So.  What are they thinking?


That Joe Guy.